Archive for June, 2007
Taking a week off; posting will be slow
A Contrarian view
How much does the rupee affect the Nifty?
Around 30% of the Nifty index is concentrated on the IT/Pharma/Export oriented sector. But that's only 30%! A falling dollar helps certain companies like:
- Oil companies (HPCL, BPCL)
- Net Importers (Capital goods companies, power & infrastructure companies etc.)
- Companies that have borrowed in dollars (ECBs) - Reliance Communications, Reliance Industries, Ashok Leyland etc. - a falling dollar means they have to use less rupees to buy back the dollars they need to return.
Interest rates: High enough?
Inflation seems to be down to below 5% and will probably stay there till October, if the interest rates continue to stay this way. But are they high?
In 2002-03, we saw interest rates around today's levels of 11-12%. That did not stymie growth. Yes, a higher interest rate will curb speculation in certain areas like real estate or others, but will it really kill a business which is growing at 30-40% or more? Probably not.
Cheaper loans are available through External borrowings (ECBs) for capital expenditure (like buying equipment, planes, etc.) Even big capital purchases like Tata Steel's acquisition of Corus is being funded through external debt rather than funds taken from Indian banks. The only high cost funds are working capital loans - but again, most of your index companies don't have that in a high proportion.
What high interest rates do is affect the retail industry a lot - meaning, small shops that have lines of credit with their bank, you and I in terms of personal and housing loans etc, and banks because you and I and the retailers will hesitate to take more loans. These three kinds of companies (Cement, Banks and FMCG) form a reasonably high part of the index but other than Banks the other industries are already showing lower prices. For Banks, a higher interest income will perhaps offset the lack of new business growth, at least for the next quarter.
Lastly, of course, some of the biggest companies in the index, the debt-equity ratios have steadily decreased and are below 1. In fact many have zero debt! So the high interest rates are a concern, but perhaps not as much as we might think.
Economy overheating?
Foreign magazines such as the economist have always been negative on India's growth, citing reasons from the silly to the mundane. Surjit Bhalla refutes their arguments saying their view is short sighted and ignorant of the wests own past practices. The U.S. went through a story similar to ours, from the 50s to the 80s. Yes, the stock market did go through up and down phases, partly because of their ridiculous policy of getting involved in wars they did not really need to. If we stay shy of such stupidity and focus on growth we can reach where China is today within 10 years perhaps.
We can complain a lot about our infrastructure, about the lack of potable water and pluggable electricity, but the basic funda is: This stuff takes time and money. We have the time. And we are making the money. In the long term, India is going to be big - way bigger than many in the west want to give it credit for, because it is easier to be myopic.
In all, what this means is: The short term influence of the rupee and interest rates may be negative, but does it really matter much? The longer term outlook is still positive, and any serious dips today provide more reasons to buy.
But will there be a big dip? Given the propensity of retail investors to panic at falls, there is enough reason for the market to have regular 10-20% dips. Very healthy stuff for the markets, like spinach. It may not taste very good, but it makes you stronger.
DLF Goes with 525; ICICI Bank between 885-950
Joe Leahy states that the DLF IPO has major issues beyond what I mentioned; it lists risks that DLF is threatened by earthquakes, that 60% of its land is agricultural, that 90% majority owners (the Singhs) can arm-twist the minority (everyone else) . Interestingly that it has, in it's 60 year history only developed 224 million sq. ft. of land, and in the next two years alone, it plans to 669 m.sq.ft. Possible? Perhaps. Can it sell all of them? We'll see.
ICICI Bank has a mega IPO coming, and has notified the price band as Rs. 885 to 950. I haven't fully analysed the issue, but here are some details:
- About 8750 cr. expected in the Indian market. Same amount in the US market at the same time. Total issue size, along with a green shoe option, is a little more than 20,000 cr.
- That means around 210 cr. more shares will be issued.
- As a retail subscriber you'll get a Rs. 50 discount on the share price discovered. So if it's 950, you only pay Rs. 900 per share. (Retail = less than 1 lakh paid in the IPO)
- Retail subscribers can choose to pay in tranches: Rs. 250 per share now, and the rest will be requested in a demand note. Needless to say you can't sell the shares unless you pay up fully, and you'll forfeit the shares if you don't fork up the money within six months.
I'm not a great fan of their business because of the umpteen complaints the bank has seen, including a personal experience. Other bad news is that today they announced the slowdown in home loan growth - which forms nearly 50% of their retail portfolio. They're priced higher than SBI (on a p/e basis) which may also see an IPO of sorts this year. And lastly, I feel they are in the peak of investor sentiment; in the face of rising interest rates, higher CRR/Repo rates, lending restrictions to real estate etc. it is probably not the best future to have. For them of course, this is the best time to get money - when people are blinded by the lure of even higher levels.
Be careful, folks. This is not the peak yet, and we still have to see the buildup of massive exuberance. But it seems to be coming. Be wary, and keep your stop losses handy.
DLF IPO Details
- Institutional buyers oversubscribed 5.12 times - they bid for 53.54 cr. shares of a total requirement of 10.44 cr. shares. Considering they have to put only 10% of the bid amount down, even at Rs. 550 per share, this is an IPO collection of 2,944 cr. of course once alloted the institutions must pay the rest of the amount bid.
- Out of the institutions, FIIs bid for 48.55 cr shares. Banks and domestic financial institutions bid for only 3.5 cr. shares.
- Mutual funds bid for only 3.52 cr. shares, despite only having to put up 10% of the money upfront. This means they only put up Rs. 175 cr. for one of India's largest IPOs - and equity mutual funds have a base of at least Rs. 100,000 cr. That is alarmingly low as a percentage, when you consider that DLF will be one of the largest cap companies.
- HNIs including corporates bid for 1.9 cr shares of an allowable 1.7 cr. That means that part of the issue is subscribed 1.1 times.
- The retail part of the IPO has seen 5.09 cr. shares bid for, of a total available 5.22 cr. shares. That's a 97% subscription - quite surprising to me! Most bids came in at cut-off.
- Of the 10 lakh shares allocated for employees, 78% has been subscribed.
What this means is that issue as a whole is fully subscribed, and in all likelihood, both HNIs and retail are going to see full allotment since there is undersubscription in those areas.
Institutions will get partial allotment of their bids, with most going to FIIs.
Now, the FII demand signifies that this stock will most likely get picked up at listing; and retail demand is robust enough for people to pick the stock up as well - Like me, many retail and HNI investors have started to avoid IPOs because of the regular massive oversubscription and locking of money. Also the cost of IPO funding is a deterrent.
I did not cover this IPO during its time because I wasn't interested in it. But looking at media reports, everyone and their uncle was negative on the IPO. But say what you will, you cannot ignore DLF. They are bigger than the other listed real estate players combined together. Sure, their management has been labelled wonky, and the Singhs have been called all sorts of names. The IPO itself has been postponed a number of times for different reasons, including market tanking, minority shareholder issues, and such.
But the resounding FII response and the massive retail subscription prompts me to think - is it going to be a big listing? My answer is: No. Firstly, in all probability, many (retail) people applied to make minor listing gains because they were sure to get allocation. But that very fact will ensure they don't have a big listing.
Second, the real estate market, as we know, is largely "black" - at least in Delhi where DLF is king. Now this "black" money routinely flows out of India through the hawala route, and comes back through FIIs as "participatory notes" - something SEBI and the finance ministry know but cannot curb without allowing a huge crash to happen. The black money of Indian bigwigs has perhaps flowed back into the DLF issue, and some of it could even be the black money in the real estate market.
Third, the stock is way to big to be operated. This share, which will likely have futures and options on it as well, will not be able to be manipulated that easily. Many companies rig up with operators to attempt to keep up their stock price - even big companies like Reliance have also supposedly done this at some point - and the Singhs of DLF have the unsavoury reputation for doing such things. Yet, I believe they will not be able to move it up - all they may do is to keep it from going down too much.
The market cap of this company at Rs. 550 will be about 93000 cr. That'll make it one of the largest companies in India - about seventh or eighth in terms of market cap. This will mean that the stock will soon get added to both the Nifty and the Sensex.
Given all this I don't believe there will be a huge listing gain, but I don't think there is much downside either. Perhaps the share will list between 400 and 600 and hang around there until Q1 results of DLF are out.
Why am I not interested in this share?
- Real estate is going to get downgraded. Even in Gurgaon and Dwarka, supply is high and demand is stagnating with extremely high interest rates and lack of investor interest.
- No ECBs and land purchase issues will have problems in the near term. This is an extremely capital intensive business; I'm not sure how much of a difference the IPO money is going to make - but it surely won't help more than 10-20% margin increases on the business.
- Their "other income" is 1400 cr. which is about 70% of their net profit (1941 cr). I don't like that. Turns out it has come from "disposal of fixed assets and long term investments" - this is a one time thing.
- Their hotel and commercial business is well planned for the commonwealth games in 2010. But that is a one time event and after that there will be a severe dip in demand...everyone seems to think that the Commonwealth games will do it great, but remember the Asian games in 1982? I lived in Delhi post 1982 - for years, the accomodation created for the games was empty and desolate; my father's bank bought houses at throwaway prices to provide accomodation to their managers.
- If you remove the one-time other income, the earnings are about 500 cr. which means the company is getting a P/E of 190. I'm not happy to pay such ridiculous valuations in the age of high interest rates, low borrowing capabilities and oversupply.
- Land valuations are something I do not understand. How they can value land they do not own is beyond me.
Overall, the IPO is an eye-opener in terms of the amount of money in the Indian market. Let's see how it performs. And lets see how ICICI's mega issue turns out.
Recovery agents will go to extremes!
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But that does not condone the murder. If word spreads, people will refuse to take loans from ICICI bank and quite rightfully so. But I'm sure this is not a problem of ICICI bank alone...isn't it a problem of the whole industry?
Yet, our people are so strapped for credit that it is probably better to work with a bank than to get credit from, heaven forbid, a moneylender.
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