The "Subprime" Problem Means All Of Us.

9 comments Written on November 26th, 2007 by
Categories: Commentary, Subprime
In an excellent post titled "What is Subprime?", Tanta at the Calculated Risk blog talks about what "subprime" is, how it seemed to become a problem and how the current situation is a larger problem than "those subprime people".
That said, what it’s about is just working through the complexity of the variations on three things that have been the core of mortgage underwriting since roughly the dawn of time: the three Cs, or Credit, Capacity, and Collateral. Does the borrower’s history establish creditworthiness, or the willingness to repay debt? Does the borrower’s current income and expense situation (and likely future prospects) establish the capacity or ability to repay the debt? Does the house itself, the collateral for the loan, have sufficient value and marketability to protect the lender in the event that the debt is not repaid?

There is no New Paradigm, there was no New Paradigm, there is not going to be a New Paradigm. The Cs are the Cs. What we “innovated” was our willingness to believe that we had established the Cs with indirect or superficial measures (that are, not coincidentally, cheap and fast compared to direct measures).

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What we call “prime” lending was based on the idea that all three C-questions had to get at least a minimally correct answer before proceeding. You had to be sufficiently creditworthy and sufficiently capable and have sufficient collateral before we made the loan. If you had, say, two out of three, you might qualify for a near-prime (like FHA) or subprime loan, depending on which two and by how far you missed the third.

The chilling part comes next: Why this problem is a bigger problem because it's deemed to be "subprime". Usually, says Tanta, loans that are "prime" (three Cs being fairly intact) slip into the subprime zone, due perhaps to temporary problems (like the homeowner losing a job) to a more sustained one (like the home market going down the wazoo). In other circumstances, subprime lenders jump in and say "okay dude(tte), we'll pay off your nagging prime lender and you pay US back instead, but (gleefully) at a higher rate of interest". When you want to save your house, you take this option.

The issue now is that subprime borrowers have bolted. The prime borrowers are slowly becoming subprime (home prices are already going down, remember) and when the term "subprime lenders" is slowly getting extinct, they have no refinance option. So the next step: They choose the foreclosure route. Default rates are up.

Read the article. And unlike me, read it slowly because otherwise, like me, you will have to read it again. We are all subprime now.

And what about us Indians? No, we're not the "brown" people mentioned there, but should we care about U.S. Subprime?

I would be kidding myself if I thought this is a U.S. only problem. Note that the European banks have suspended trading in mortgage bonds and China is worried about loss of US exports.

And India? First the software outsourcers have a lot to lose, considering they do a LOT of work with the financial industry all over the world. A dollar decline means a drop in exports so textiles is kaput. Liquidity constraints hit banks which "bank" on their ability to raise cheap money and deploy it for high returns. ECBs become more expensive as spreads abroad widen. Domestic consumption is driven by robust external demand as well, and to that extent asset prices will be hit if there is a global recession of sorts.

Of course I come across as bearish. But this has nothing to do with the stock market. It can continue to flourish, remember, and in the face of such data, it has in the past.

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9 comments “The "Subprime" Problem Means All Of Us.”

>Hi Deepak, I have a suggestion on your blog and i think i am entitled to one as i read your blog on a daily basis. If you can make your background of your blog to black it would be nice to the environment (http://www.blackle.com/about). Also i usually read your blog at nights with lights switched off and this spoils my eye as it appears very bright and also it is bright enough that it sometimes wakes my two and a half year old daughter. The second reason may be too specific but the first certainly isn’t. You can have a look at my blog for example. BTW, Please note that this is only a suggestion and left to the sole discretion of you with absolutely no obligation. BTW Keep up the good work on your posts and cheers and wishes on moneyyoga.

Mohan C Nair

>Deepak,
Don’t read too much these foreign blogs and get confused.

Their problems are different to ours.

For all you know India may decouple from US in future. Anyway Indian Banks or Financial Institutions are not involved in subprime. They have only invested in US treasuries. I suppose India has lost much due to it’s dollar reserves.

>Watch this nice video on Mortgage Mess in US.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/346/index.html

>mohan: will consider it, but right now it means changing too much in terms of code/images/everything else. perhaps there is an alternative solution someplace.

Anon1: I think this is going to hit us as well, but for now we seem to be cruising. The problem is indirect involvement and liquidity, not a direct investment issue.

>Hi Deepak,

I have been reading too much about this subprime crisis in the news now a days, just that it flashes wherever you see. I dont know why or how much it will affect my portfolio(My business). But what i know is that a companies value doenst change by an unrelated crisis, but only by the basic priciple of supply/demand for the service or the product.

If somebody from US is not going to buy it, a person from some other country like Japan or Dubai is going to buy until it represents the same value. Remember a 150 bps increase in fixed deposits created significant cash for the banks in India. Markets are not starved of cash or liquidity unless the central banks start pulling down the M3 figures below 10 starting tommorrow.

Regards,
Ranjit kumar

>So if it is “indirect involvement and liquidity which will affect Indian Markets”, then should sell of all his stocks and put his money in so called arbitrage funds? That is putting the cart before the horse. BTW arbitrage funds during the last 8 months have only yielded 3%.

In my opinion one has to stay invested to one’s tolerance limit come what may.

>Yesterday Shanghai Stock market entered what one may call Technically a bear market phase. This means a 20% drop from peak within one year.

Does this provide any clues to other Asian markets?

>anon: Please don’t put words into my mouth. I didn’t say that ever – In terms of buying and selling, it’s better to react than predict. I’m saying there are negatives out there we should watch out for, and if the stock market stays robust, then no point selling! I have sold a large part of my portfolio, but that doesn’t mean you should – if I sound bearish, I apologise, as I don’t think stock prices are intrinsically linked to fundamentals of the economy.

anon2: Shanghai isn’t quite linked to our market (price wise) so I don’t see that working against India right now, but yes it seems to have price links with other Asian exchanges. I think if we in India are hit, it won’t be because of Shanghai, if anything the US and Europe are larger influences.

>RPL under SEBI Scanner.. the drop from 290 to 195 has been completely operated. thats the news all over.. check this link of financial express and live mint

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Smart-operators-in-RPL-futures-make-a-cool-Rs-1-000-cr/244312/

Between November 1 and November 6, 2007, a particular group made short sales of 10crore shares of Reliance Petroleum in the futures segment of National Stock Exchange costing Rs.3,000 crores approximately. they made a cool Rs 1,000 crores in less than a month, because the Reliance Petroleum shares have now crashed from Rs.295 to Rs 195 per share!. These guys have made Rs.100 per share.

isnt it ironic that someone knew that RIL was going to sell a huge quantity of shares and the prices were bound to come down?

My 2nd question is Who financed these traders for their margins? Where has this profit gone? and who bore the loss???

Its innocent small investors who bought Reliance Petroleum shares at the high prices, not knowing that this unholy alliance was indulging in insider trading and making illegal profits while Mukesh Ambani’s own company RIL was selling shares without disclosing this to investors!!


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